<grOogle> How do I format a USB stick with Microsoft?           [12:23]
<HCoyote> right click on it in My Computer and choose format     [12:24]
* grOogle finds no "format".
<Darius> you'd need to right click on a drive to format          [12:25]
<grOogle> I've inserted the stick, and the light goes on, but it shows no
      other sign of having taken notice.
<Darius> youc an't format my computer
<grOogle> Darius: There is no drive.
<Darius> grOogle: right click on My Computer and select Manage
<CrtxReavr> No no no                         [12:26]
<HCoyote> I didn't say to format my computer, Darius  :-)
<CrtxReavr> *OPEN* my computer and right-click on the usb drive object in
        there.
<Darius> in the left hand pane select 'Disk Management' under 'Storage'
<Darius> see if it shows up in that list
<Darius> windows may have decided to not actually assign it a drive letter
<CrtxReavr> I dont' think a thumb drive is gonna show up in disk management.
<Darius> or better y et it assigned it one that is alreayd in use
<grOogle> CrtxReavr: It doesn't show up in my computer.          [12:27]
<Darius> CrtxReavr: it does
<Darius> CrtxReavr: I have seen several cases where USB drives get assigned an
     already existing drive letter and are invisible in "MY COmputer"
<HCoyote> grOogle:  sure it's a working thumb drive?         [12:28]
<grOogle> HCoyote: It's a USB stick.
<HCoyote> right ...  sure it's still working and hasn't killed itself off?
* Darius wonders if groogle has followed his instructions yet       [12:29]
<grOogle> da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
<grOogle> da0: <Generic USB SD Reader 2.00> Removable Direct Access SCSI-0
      device
<grOogle> da0: 1.000MB/s transfers
<grOogle> da0: 121MB (248320 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 121C)
<grOogle> /dev/da0s1                121      0   121     0%    /camera
<HCoyote> ok.
<grOogle> CrtxReavr: A Real Computer recognizes it.
<xyst> this is a USB stick or a card reader?
* Darius prods groogle
<grOogle> Hmm, interesting.                      [12:30]
<Darius> you're worse to help than n00bs in #freebsdhelp
<grOogle> xyst: Card reader.  Is there a difference?
<CrtxReavr> Format it in freebsd then.
<xyst> yes.
<grOogle> CrtxReavr: It is formatted.
<xyst> grOogle: with what FS?
* CrtxReavr groans.
<xyst> grOogle: for a 'card reader' you could need drivers
<xyst> memory-stick style drives generally "just work", since that's the whole
       point                                [12:31]
<Darius> xyst: wtf?
<xyst> for the most part, so do card readers
<Darius> you guys are on crack
<xyst> but i've seen retarded ones
<Darius> sure
<grOogle> OK, I've put it back in again, but it still doesn't assign a drive
      letter.
<Darius> but one that appears in umass WILL work in windows
<CrtxReavr> But does it appear in my computer?
<xyst> grOogle: have you been listening at all?
<Darius> grOogle: so rmb on my computer and select manage
<grOogle> CrtxReavr: No.
<CrtxReavr> The don't normally get a drive letter.           [12:32]
<CrtxReavr> Does the machine acknowledge the usb device insertion?
<CrtxReavr> Check your device manager.  . are you even loading a USB driver?
* HCoyote thinks the crack pipe is readily being passed around.
<Darius> ?!
<xyst> grOogle: right click my computer.  manage.  click the "disk management"
       section
<Darius> xyst: it's OK I asked him to do that already..  no reply :-/ [12:33]
<grOogle> Darius: OK.
<grOogle> Ah!  As I thought!
* grOogle smacks Microsoft where it hurts.              [12:34]
<HCoyote> card reader wasn't plugged in? 8-)
<CrtxReavr> Sure it's not he user that needs smacked?
<grOogle> HCoyote: No, broken Microsoft.
<xyst> "As I thought?"
<grOogle> I have a notwork drive E:.
<Darius> grOogle: like I said
<CrtxReavr> IT's called Windows.  . Microsoft is the publisher.
<CrtxReavr> Geesh.  ..
<grOogle> And Microsoft tries to assign E: to the stick, since I already have
      a mounted CD.
<Mavvie> that happens a lot here.
<grOogle> CrtxReavr: Windows are things that I have in my house.
<xyst> it's sort of doing the right thing.
<Mavvie> put in USB drive.                       [12:35]
<Mavvie> not showing up...
<xyst> sort of.
<Mavvie> unmount half of the network disks to find it
<Darius> Mavvie: you don't have to
<Darius> Mavvie: rmb my computer -> manage
<Darius> Mavvie: storage -> disk mgmt
<xyst> grOogle: right click the usb drive in the list and change the drive
       letter.
<grOogle> The problem is that Microsoft is trying to use an already assigned
      drive letter.
<Darius> then you can change it's drive letter
<Darius> grOogle: yes I already said that                [12:36]
<Mavvie> it's not my computer, it's somebody elses computer on which I put the
     stick to have access to ssh
<CrtxReavr> I have *NEVER* seen that.
<Darius> CrtxReavr: I've seen it a few times
<grOogle> Darius: Thanks.  That worked around the bug.
<Darius> on the plus side it does remember the new settings      [12:37]
<grOogle> Darius: Does it at least remember?
<grOogle> Darius: Ah, OK.
<Darius> I think it stores it on the FS somewhere
<grOogle> Darius: Does it persist across reboots?            [12:39]
<Darius> grOogle: think so