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(was: Control Point dialog features) Content-Language: en-US To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com References: <68082b89-ad62-49f5-b9f9-d0275d5fd7acn@googlegroups.com> <20220207010928.GG98887@eureka.lemis.com> From: Klaus Foehl In-Reply-To: <20220207010928.GG98887@eureka.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed X-Original-Sender: klaus.foehl@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=lo5zU7Gh; spf=pass (google.com: domain of klaus.foehl@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::431 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=klaus.foehl@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com; contact hugin-ptx+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 689444608063 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Length: 2193 Lines: 48 Hi Greg, dear all, with my gmail account I find 1) at first glance entire threads go into Spam 2) I find one or two examples where a reply makes it into the Inbox 3) all this starts on 16.01.2022 with a posting of Noveguy. Also between 09.01.2022 and 16.01.2022 I did not receive any hugin-ptx email. To me 9 days of list quietness look weird. Regards Klaus On 07.02.22 02:09, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I've been chasing up a mail configuration problem delivering mail to > Gmail (hint: make sure you have an SPF record or similar), and in the > process came across this message and about 30 more that were filed as > spam: > > On Friday, 21 January 2022 at 10:34:06 -0800, johnfi...@gmail.com wrote: >> I want to make a bunch of changes to the control point dialog. > (end quote) > > I don't understand why; there's nothing obviously wrong with the > message, and unlike the problems that Gmail caused for my third-party > domain, both sender and mailing list are under the control of Google. > There were two other threads, also sent by people with Gmail accounts, > so maybe this is part of the problem. > > It seems that Google is going over the top in trying to control spam, > and in the process it is rejecting valid mail. I'm seriously > considering giving up my Gmail account. 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